Stephen Harper is the Best Man to lead the CPC
Yes sir.
I fully support Stephen Harper as leader of the CPC. M. Carol Jamieson is wrong. For the sake of Canada, we need Stephen Harper to stay on. Why, another leader might increase the fortunes of the Conservative Party and make them a real threat to form the government someday. And nothing could be more damaging to Canada than the Conservative Reform Alliance Party taking power and implementing their socially divisive and backward policies.
24% to 28% is good, but ole Steve can drive them down further, with just a few more speeches and a little more angry rhetoric.
As an NDP member, I can think of no one better to lead the CPC than Stephen "Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory" Harper.
Keep up the good work Stephen.
Hat tip to Section 15 and Socialist Swine. Let get everyone behind the Maximum Leader.
posted by Mike @ 10:19 AM
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17 Comments:
Its funny what Dipper supporters will say. Jack "OH-MY-GOD-THERE'S-A-CAMERA" Layton isn't exactly a gem either.
Now Andrew, say what you will about Jack, but at least the NDP's fortunes seem to be going up with him as leader and Canadians seem to like him...
:)
Apparently, we've touched a sore spot with this little meme!
Harper-4-evva!!!!!11!!!!1
Errr.... reality to Mike.... reality to Mike.... come in Mike!!!!
The NDP under Layton have been stagnant - they've neither gained nor lost support, and considering the gem of a position they found themselves in after AdScam exploded, that's saying something. You'd almost think they failed to capitalize on the gift that Martin' Liberals gave 'em....
... shit, shouldn't that be front page news on the Grope & Flail?
....no wait.... that would only happen if it was the CPC ;)
"You'd almost think they failed to capitalize on the gift that Martin' Liberals gave 'em...."
I guess the CPC beat us to it.
;)
"The NDP under Layton have been stagnant - they've neither gained nor lost support"
Well we haven't dropped by double digits either. In the volitile political landscape we've seen over the last 6 months, staying steady is a good thing. In the longer term, the NDP today is in a much better position than they were before Jack took over and did much better in the last election. In my VERY CONSERVATIVE riding, the NDP increased thier votes by 300%. I guess "stagnant" is in the eye of the beholder.
"considering the gem of a position they found themselves in after AdScam exploded"
You mean the position the NDP held in which they managed to get part of their paltform passed into the budget and then get that budget passed? We helped get the gay marriage bill passed, despite waffling and dithering on the part of the Libs.
Tell me again how we didn't capitalize on the situation?
When the CPC had the same position last February and March, they blew it. We could be arguing how the tax cuts in the "Conservative Budget" were bad for Canadians, gave too much to the corps etc . But we aren't. We are arguing about the "NDP Budget" and spending on affordable housing.
Who didn't capitalize again?
Stephen Harper saw some polls that showed he might be able to be PM and he went off the deep end. He was in a position in early May to win the next election. In the end he lost a chance to pass a budget that would he himself said in February was one that had "Conservative Priorities". He lost on his opposition to the big social issue, gay marriage. He lost a high-ranking Ontario CPC member and was embarrased by the Grewal Shenanigans. All because he was more interested in getting in the PM's chair rather than getting his policies implemented.
Jack and the NDP have been steady at about 18% to 20%. That is true. They haven't gone up, but nor have they dropped like the CPC has. And they managed to get their platform implemented.
Sometimes, its not about getting into the PMs chair, eh?
Agreed. Position is inconsequential as long as your agenda is implemented. The NDP, realizing that they had no chance in the near future to form a government, have opted for the right path. I might disagree with a number of their policies, but they are the only party who have played it smart this year.
PS.
I don't read the Mop and Pail - Too conservative - so I could care less what they write. Of course, from my perspective if the Mop and Pail is writing poor stuff about the CPC, well it must be really bad.
Toronto Star, is OK, though they like the Libs a bit too much.
Don't even get me started on the Ottawa Shitizen...
Let's wait to see how the next session of Parliament goes and the election next spring before we decide who's tactics have failed.
"Yeah right, Mike. The NDP sold their 'soul' to the Libs. Pathetic..."
We prefer to think of it as forcing them to do the right thing despite themselves. you know, trying to show them the properway to conduct politics. Lead by example and all that.
The CPC had their chance. They blew it.
Sounds like sour grapes to me jeff. So when Stephen Harper was going around saying "me too" to all the Liberal spending promises and programs last spring, was he "selling his soul" too?
Mike,
Heh - I guess from your "we'll never get real power anyhow" position then you're exactly right :P
Beggars like Dippers can't be choosers.
Andrew,
No, I simply have more patience. It will come eventually, built an the good work we do now. It will come.
Besides, I think Dippers would rather have power based on being voted for because of our principled approach to things. If that takes time so be it. It may not come this time or even enxt time, but it will come.
In the mean time, you make do with what you have.
Its better than salivating like a hungry dog in front of a steak and promising everything to everybody when presented with the prospect of gaining power. Power at any cost is not what the NDP is about. Same as the Greens I expect.
Liberals and CPC are another story.
Besides, it seems to me that the NDP had plenty of power back in May and June...
jeff, you are a good reason not to vote CPC.
Peter, read my answer to Andrew. This isn't a popularity contest at highschool you know. Sometimes getting your policies and platform implemented is more important than getting power. I'd rather know that an important program or policy such as our healthcare system, was implemented, even if it was by the Liberals or CPC, than to compromise principles to get into power. Maybe some day you'll get it, and realize that finishing first or third isn't a big deal. Someday, it will happen.
Martin, you and I definitly agree on that....
I haven't been very happy with Harper either, but I also don't base my vote on the leader, but rather on the policy. I thought Harper had the right idea with his summer BBQ tour, but failed to deliver the media and some kind of grand finale to the whole thing, he lost a great opportunity to gain some support. I'm not exactly sure what that would have been, but anything would have helped.
What is happening now is the flipside of what should be happening in a minority government. What should be happening is much like the agenda debates we have at the BPoC, where give and take is dealt with to create something all sides may not necessarily agree with 100%, but rather something that reflects the position of all Canadians. That is supposed to be what happens in a minority government. Unfortunately what is happening is a concentration of each party keeping the other out of reach of the holy grail of leadership. If the Liberals would have conceded to a few conservative ideas, instead of ignoring them and taking the NDP route to regain the leadership, this would be a different situation. There are alot of issues where the parties all have a similar agenda, perhaps if they took the time to realise that, and examine other areas of each others agendas, this would benifit the country instead of driving a series of wedges in it......
Excellent column, Mike!
I am 100% in agreement with you!
Mike, check in because i have a donation drive in the works, just trying to get more info.....
Mew mew mew, remember, the merger was never going to work either. Harper was never going to get close to the Martin juggernaut. Both proven wrong, in the face of the same sorts of prognostications that you and and the MSM are making now, Mike. (Did I also mention that Mike Harris was too radical to ever win power in Ontario?)
The fact is, none of these polls matter. It's like telling me that the weather today is a good indication of the climat year-round. Remember when the CA and PC were in the gutter? Everyone said we were on the road to a one party state. Didn't happen. All it takes is something to change on the political landscape, and the CPC and Liberals will be within 5 points of each other, and boom, we have a race.
Incidentally, it should be utterly depressing to know that the NDP, even at the zenith of its influence, is unable to break above the twenty percent support mark. Funny how all the glee that Dippers take at Tory misfortunes disregards the fact that we can still clobber the NDP in terms of popular vote and seats even when we're at the bottom of the cycle and the NDP's at the top.
And definitely keep Jack Layton around. God forbid you get someone credible like Ed Broadbent as leader ever again - you might win more than 20 seats!!!
ALW,
He he. I see I've touched a nerve.
"Remember when the CA and PC were in the gutter?"
Yesterday?
;)
We'll see how the NDP does in the next election before we worry our leadership too much. We've done pretty good so far.
As for the merger not working, well, I think what we are seeing right now is the merger coming apart, what with new alegations that Mackay is undermining Harper as well.
And for what its worth, if Ed were available, I'd bet everyone would be behind him as leader again, including Jack.
Hmm so I guess if Harper's leadership hasn't helped the CPC (24%), or the NDP(20%), who do you think its helped?
Oddly enough, my prediction over at BBG was a conservative minority, but both the CPC and the Libs losing seats to the NDP.....
I'll vote for Harper. At least he was standing up for freedom of speech by opposing the election gag law.
As for Jack Layton, wasn't he the one who called those intimidating squeegee-kids that plagued Toronto some years back "entrepreneurs", or some such nonsense? The problem with the NDP is that they don't understand the difference between voluntary and coerced. Layton is not fit to run a lemonade stand let alone run a country.
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